I got this dumbass comment from Alex:
But at the end of the day, porn is nothing more than a genre, and it's silly to bemoan the general pornification of society in the same way it'd be silly to bemoan its scifiification or actioncomedification.
What would Michael Kyle say? 'Ah... nah.' This is an utterly false comparison - porn is not used in the same way that other genres of film are. Most people (especially on the Internet) don't sit down and watch a snippet of oh, I dunno, Star Trek with the express aim of *ahem* 'interacting' with what's on the screen, now, do they? Even if you watch a film for the car chases, you're usually going to have some interest in the overall story. Usually when people do get to the stage of putting up their 'favourite scenes' or whatever on YouTube, it's because they've watched the film or series episode enough to be able to isolate a particular section.
Whereas people don't watch porn for the storyline, they watch it because it turns them on. Why else do mainstream porn TV channels keep promising 'more fucking' and less storylines? Because it's the SEX that people want to see! I have a tendency to pay proper attention to porn sometimes, and it is usually a terrible mistake:
'Oh my God, that man is so tanned he looks like beef jerky, and he is wearing tinted swimming-goggles - wait, are those sunglasses? And why do all the European actors wear those weird little necklaces? Haha!'
Paying attention to porn actresses' expressions (facial and verbal) tends to make me burst out laughing and completely kill my horn. The huge amount of ridiculous pouting and very obviously fake arousal usually provokes hilarity, but sometimes makes me quite depressed, that some men can be so thick (or jaded) that it gets them going. Especially common is the businesslike efficiency of so many porn actresses which, I'm sorry, often makes me think of seasoned prostitutes.
Let us not forget that the Internet has developed on the advance that porn studios discovered with DVDs: people can now slice out, tag and distribute individual scenes involving this or that actress/actor or this or that sex act, tweak the angle/lighting/whatever they want, and so there is even less need to care about the background information. You want a POV scene of Jenna Jameson masturbating? You got it! You don't need to remember that film's title and watch it until you find the right scene unless you're absolutely hell-bent on it - a quick search of a porn site will often point you in the right direction without too much fuss.
No, the only other entertainment form that porn can remotely be compared to (given the way that it is designed to be used), is gaming. It's interesting to note too how much the 'do video games cause violence?' debate mirrors the 'does porn cause rape?' debate, as the more astute among you have hopefully already realised.
This brings me to my other point: a few men (surprise!) immediately leaped on the 'you can't assert a causal link between rape and porn usage' bandwagon, both here and on PP. Erm, no - my wording maybe wasn't unambiguous enough, but I said that I know there's no evidence for it, and I don't believe it. When I said that they were linked, I meant that there is a similar attitude inherent in both. Rape, and the overwhelming majority of porn, reflect a male desire for absolute dominance, translated into a desire to totally dominate women. Just because you and I use it doesn't mean that this can be denied. I'm not going to get into the debate over whether porn can be made feminist or whatever, but I am also not going to be disingenuous and deny what goes on in most porn. It's not a coincidence that women in porn are almost always completely submissive. It's not a coincidence that porn's representations of lesbian sexuality show a form of lesbianism which is all about women wanting to be men, with the strap-on cock and the dildo and when these aren't present, the women are usually young and nubile and conventionally attractive. Just because the cock is not there doesn't mean that the cock can be forgotten! God forbid that porn should show a lesbianism that isn't all about male desire and 'manliness' (read: penises) in some way.
Morons may say (as one did in fact on Pickled Politics):
One genre omitted was the ‘Bend Over Boyfriend’ stuff which features a woman with a strapon subjecting her boyfriend / husband to some rough play.
i.e. 'What about when men are getting fucked? Isn't that, like SUBVERSIVE, and also possibly feminist, because I am a scroteburst and don't understand feminism or feminists?'
Well, now. If you've got the time and the inclination, I would say head over to Bitchy Jones's blog and read a whole lot of posts, starting with the Best Of. It's certainly not for the faint-hearted though. I am just going to quote from a couple of posts: 'subs are not meant to secretly run the show. That’s a lie. If the sub is in charge you’re doing it wrong.'
As Bitchy so astutely observes, even porn which pretends to be about female domination (i.e., giving women the power of the penis) is not really, because it is aimed at satisfying male desire, just like the rest of porn. The depictions of femdom in mainstream porn are obviously going to adhere to this, but she notes it in the dominatrix industry and 'proper' BDSM femdom porn as well:
Dominant women are beautiful. And that’s why the guy gets on his knees. That is what he worships. Her beauty.
I don’t just mean in porn – I mean the whole ’story’ of femdom runs along these lines.
It’s pretty interesting that, where men have decided to allow women to have ‘power’ for their own wanky needs, that this is the kind of power they choose to give her. The power of being desired. A completely passive power.
And I’ve told you before dominant sexuality is all about *desiring*. Dominant sexuality is active – not passive.
*Wanting* not being wanted.
*Demanding* not being demanded.
But the beautiful Amazon thing is woven into the fabric of femdom (black PVC – since you ask).
This is my major problem with porn: it's all about men. Even when they're the ones being fucked, the focus remains on satisfying male desire. I hate the way it makes me end up feeling like I have some sort of sexual split-personality disorder. You're always led to identify with the penetrator - the man, or the male-proxy lesbian - yet as a woman, you know deep down that you're supposed to be the penetratee (yup, not a word, don't care). Where the man is getting penetrated, I just find myself agreeing with Bitchy and thinking 'But I don't want to screw a man! It might turn him on, but it doesn't turn me on! And it doesn't turn her on, either, by the looks of it.' This takes me back to why feminist porn may not be possible; like Simone de Beauvoir, I fear that 'the women's effort has never been anything more than a symbolic agitation. They have gained only what men have been willing to grant; they have taken nothing, they have only received' ("Introduction" to The Second Sex (1952), p.19).
Let us not forget that the greedy hand of mainstream porn has reached into BDSM culture and taken practices which usually occur after much discussion between sexual partners, and stolen them. Your average hardcore porn video does not show the man asking the woman if she is really, truly, 100% OK with any form of auto-erotic asphyxiation, the couple establishing any safe words or limits, or anything such. In short, mainstream porn removes all the pesky 'responsible behaviour' that actually underpins any extreme sexual practices and just hands you the sexual practices on a plate. This is yet another example of heteronormativity in action. Extreme sexual practices were roundly demonised and ignored by the heterosexual majority for ages. However, now that heterosexual culture is 'bored' and needs novelty, it has 'graciously' decided to legitimize BDSM, sort of, by stealing from it. Only, conveniently enough, it ends up making BDSM look worse because it does away with the whole 'safe, sane and consensual' ethos that distinguishes it from actual rape, torture etc.! God forbid that 'vanilla' heterosexuality ever be seen as anything other than THE true and right way (because of course, y'know, the majority have vanilla heterosexual sex, so anything else is weird and probably evil). Anyone who thinks I am on that conspiracy shit wants to remember that the majority of porn users in America belong to, that's right, the bullshit party (who make it their business to argue against ALL sexual activity that isn't 'Christian') and that in the UK, you can now be prosecuted for being in possession of 'extreme porn.'
Ultimately, I'm finding that I've come full circle - I'm doing my best to stay away from Internet porn and just occasionally watching some of those cringeworthy erotica films that come on certain Sky channels late at night. These still promote female stereotypes and female sexual stereotypes enthusiastically, but at least they hold back from the violence that is implicit, and becoming increasingly explicit, in so much porn. They also often try to connect sex and love to some extent, by putting in some kind of romance. Loving couples can have good sex too, you know! While I understand that the fantasy of completely no-strings/anonymous sex is exciting - SOMETIMES - porn is OBSESSED with it, and it gets really boring.
The repetitiveness of porn is damaging, but for a critical mind, it is also revealing. Most porn consumers want to be the 'daddy' fucking girls old enough to be their daughter (eww) or they want to fuck their mums (eww), or both. All very Freudian and distinctly pathetic. It's no secret that they are largely insecure and unattractive (often, but not always, physically as well as emotionally) men, compensating themselves by being able to get their way all the time and 'have' anyone they want who wouldn't normally look twice at them. They don't want to be anyone's beloved equal, they want to be SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES, goddammit! Me, me, me! Bor-ing - and this is precisely the message we DO NOT need young male teenagers high on hormones to be embedding in their already self-centred brains.
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You haven't really addressed my comment, other than calling it dumbass.
And yes, there are conventions and tendencies in the porn genre that make it different from others, but genre is like that. People interact with "choose your own adventure" books, hip-hop and electronic music heavily involve the exchange of snippets rather than full songs. Action-movie stars pull ridiculous faces. Lyric poetry doesn't usually have much of a story. Phil Spector mixed albums to sound better on the radio, medieval troubadours made their stories rhyme or alliterate to aid memory. Every genre has its conventions and these are always heavily linked to reception and distribution. The fact that you might respect some of those genres more than porn doesn't mean porn doesn't have enough formal conventions to constitute a genre.
I'm not even sure what you found so dumbass about my comment, except that it differed from you on a minor point of principle. I never claimed pornification was a good thing, or that it didn't happen. I just said it's a red-herring, and that whether society is flooded with images and descriptions of sex is far, far less important than the nature of those images.
You even seem to agree with this, as most of your post is taken up with a long list of all the things that are wrong and fucked up about contemporary porn, pretty much all of which I agree with you on. But that's a question of how and with what society is being pornified, not whether it is.
If we want to understand rape culture and its interaction with pornography and the mainstream, we need to try and be objective. Looking at pornography as distinct from art or culture is just plain unhelpful. We're far better off examining pornography to work out which conventions are essential to the genre, which ones aren't, and which ones are part of rape culture and which ones we might actually like a bit. (That last one might be a bit more difficult).
'You haven't really addressed my comment, other than calling it dumbass.'
Yes I have. Porn is used differently to other genres and is meant to be used differently. How, exactly, did you miss that crucial point made SLAP BANG at the beginning of the post?
Your examples don't prove anything. Do people follow 'choose your own adventure' books, read one page and then not read the rest? No, not usually. Same with hip-hop - we tend to listen for the song, not just the sample.
'The fact that you might respect some of those genres more than porn doesn't mean porn doesn't have enough formal conventions to constitute a genre.'
Irrelevant. I wasn't arguing about 'whether it's a genre or not,' I was demonstrating that it is USED differently.
'Looking at pornography as distinct from art or culture is just plain unhelpful.'
Which I DIDN'T DO, because I pointed out that it reflects and reinforces mentalities and attitudes which are within culture already.
I don't like anything about rape culture. Jaysus, you need to go back and read the definition of rape culture again. I'm not responding to any further comments until I see that you've actually bothered to read, comprehend and digest what I'm saying.
"I wasn't arguing about 'whether it's a genre or not,' I was demonstrating that it is USED differently."
In that case I don't really follow you. There are genres of music you wouldn't dance to and genres you wouldn't listen to over dinner. Some books are good "holiday reading", and some films are best watched on the big screen. How does the difference in use affect anything?
"I don't like anything about rape culture."
I meant things we might like about pornography.
Generally I'm not actually sure what you're getting so wound up about, as we seem to agree on most of this. We even seem to share the sentiment that porn and culture aren't distinct. The only area where I'd actually take issue with you is that it's counter-productive to use "porn" as if it's some monolithic genre with no variation, when it's historically been applied to everything from really disturbing rapey stuff to Arthur Schnitzler.
If I'm analysing all this as if I'm writing a literature essay, that's not just because I am actually supposed to be writing a literature essay. It's also because I don't think you can understand the porn genre and rape culture without looking at them as a genre and culture.
Well, if a fairly typical English wanker can contribute, I'd say that in my lifetime (born 1961) porn has become a hell of a lot more violent and extreme - much to my bafflement, I might add. And of course it's moved into mainstream society, again baffling me.
I couldn't understand why anyone wouldn't see NUTS etc as soft porn mags. The prevalence of rape porn is deeply disturbing to me, a middle-aged bloke, so it's hardly surprising if it angers a lot of women. The real mystery is whjy so few women object to this weird, often downright deranged stuff.
Yes, we all have transgressive fantasies. But the point about a fantasy is your imagination takes flight and stuff happes that would never occur in real life. Rape porn is a kind of crack for the libido - the same tainted high over and over again, the only real development being that the dosage must be constantly increased as the thrill diminishes.
Is this at least in part because modern popular culture in general is so crassly unimaginative? Same big dumb movies, same arsewit reality shows, same recycled pop fads, retro fashions?
valdemar - The 'first part' on this topic discussed the increasing violence in porn in more depth - I'm glad to see someone else has noticed how much more violent and dehumanised porn has become.
My particular issue with rape porn is what happens when it and the Internet collide. Porn studios have to abide by certain rules, laws, etc., but as you probably are well aware, the Internet's offered an ideal forum for loads of amateur porn videos as well. No-one's regulating these amateur vids, now, are they? Which potentially means that I could be watching real rape/violence scenes if I were to ever click on one of them.
Being a hapless idealist, or something, I don't think any govt. authorities should be trying to regulate amateur porn, but I hope that by making people acknowledge these problems, they will report clips that cross the line to the site hosts and also that demand for this kind of porn will drop a bit. Rape porn - but most Internet porn too, I would say - is exactly as you describe it. It just deadens you completely. I wonder if those who become addicted to more and more extreme stuff become more pessimistic and misanthropic? Because I felt like porn was deadening in me in several ways when I used to be *ahem* a much more regular user of it. There was no other word for the way it made me feel than 'depressing.'
'The real mystery is why so few women object to this weird, often downright deranged stuff.'
I think a lot of them have either little or no experience of it, or if they do, don't want to admit to it...
'Is this at least in part because modern popular culture in general is so crassly unimaginative? Same big dumb movies, same arsewit reality shows, same recycled pop fads, retro fashions?'
I would be inclined to agree and say that this is part of the postmodern condition. Apparently, postmodernity distinguishes itself from modernist modernity through the preponderance of pastiche. The lack of imagination saddens me - I don't think we're any less innovative than we used to be, only lazier and VASTLY more cynical and pessimistic. Corrosively so at times, I would say.
Thank you very much for the comment, I am flattered that HC's most enlightened commenter is on *my* blog. :D
Sorry, I'm aware I'm clogging this post up a lot, and I'm not even famous like valdemar. I just find this whole thing really interesting.
"Well, if a fairly typical English wanker can contribute, I'd say that in my lifetime (born 1961) porn has become a hell of a lot more violent and extreme - much to my bafflement, I might add. And of course it's moved into mainstream society, again baffling me."
One typical English wanker to another, my pet theory is a reaction to women's liberation and increased sexual freedom. Social conventions have changed, so men no longer feel sex is something to be ashamed of, or something we have to condescendingly protect women from. Both undoubtedly good developments, and it explains why fully-clothed culture is more likely to acknowledge porn. But the more visceral emotional attitudes - that men have a right to women's bodies, that sex is conquest and power is sexy - take much longer to die out. I'd be tempted to say it's also about putting uppity women in their place, but that doesn't seem to fit with the sluts and sex-kittens that are still a porno staple.
You see this in attitudes to real-life rape: women enjoy sex too, we've all come to accept that now. But since this woman may possibly have given you the vague impression that she might like some with somebody in the near future, you were within your rights to take it.
"I couldn't understand why anyone wouldn't see NUTS etc as soft porn mags."
There's jokes and gadgets in it, so it's a "men's lifestyle magazine". If you're one of those men whose lifestyle is 50% masturbation.
"I would be inclined to agree and say that this is part of the postmodern condition. Apparently, postmodernity distinguishes itself from modernist modernity through the preponderance of pastiche."
I don't think it's that. Porn pastiches have sort of fallen out of fashion, it's much more direct and in-your-face. As well as pastiching, postmodernism tends to be very aware of its own function. Nowadays, stuff that does exactly what it says on the tin is fairly popular, and this would definitely square with how porn dispenses more and more with plot and the pretence of being a proper film, and just gets straight to the wankable bits.
I think it's also what KJB was saying about the internet and snippets. The modern masturbator can be much more selective, so producers no longer have to worry about catering different tastes. If customer A likes simulated rape and it makes customer B lose his hard-on for the rest of the film, it doesn't matter like it does with videos or cinemas. A gets his rape and B can watch a different scene, or the same scene from the point where the victim (inevitably) starts enjoying it, in blissful ignorance of why her mascara is running.
Maybe porn has become more vicious and misogynistic, but it's mainly become more receptive to more niche interests, which in practice means more extreme, i.e. more violent, i.e. more violent to women.
Puzzled by your comment about gaming. As a gamer of over 25 years I can't see the similarity to porn...
Anonymous -
Read again.
'No, the only other entertainment form that porn can remotely be compared to (given the way that it is designed to be used), is gaming. It's interesting to note too how much the 'do video games cause violence?' debate mirrors the 'does porn cause rape?' debate, as the more astute among you have hopefully already realised.'
They're only similar in the way that they are both consumed - gaming is the only other form of visual entertainment I can think of that is like porn in the sense that you interact directly with both. They're both designed to offer full interactivity in a way that regular films and TV aren't - games allow the use of cheat codes, saving play, stopping and restarting multiple times, making your own characters, etc. etc. Porn also (on DVD and online) lets you choose exactly what section of a film you watch, choose the angle etc.
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