As any fule kno, the um, 'situation' with the Gaza Strip and Israel has provoked a lot of what I can only term sheer utter fucking lunacy everywhere. Pop along to Pickled Politics and scroll down a little to marvel at the sheer volume of articles on it; or if you're a rubbernecking connoisseur, wade into the brain-rotting depths of personal insults and virulent misunderstandings and misinterpretations that tend to make up the comment threads of such articles. Sheesh. I have heard several times how mental people go over I/P, but to see it in action is really something else. Some brave commenters, such as one douglas clark, ventured to say that British Jews should not be forced to shoulder the responsibility of Israel's actions and expected to 'make everything right' from a tiny island far away (I paraphrase). Now, that seems like common sense, don' it?
It got me thinking again on how so much of the danger that comes from having a religious identity (as far as I'm concerned) is in that symbolism. I'm far too timid to say anything like that the world should be rid of religion; I like to throw up my hands on these matters and say, I don't know, and if pressed, I could give you an answer, but not a simple one. I can't ever see myself becoming famous because I don't on the whole do snappy soundbites or 'big ideas' - but back to religious symbolism. It scares me because it allows, nay in many cases, demands the establishment of a connection of oneself with a much larger body of people. The way I see it, many people 'get into' religion for the community and stay for the God (forgive me if that sounds very cynical, and just to elaborate, I'm talking here about the things that keep people born within religion within it, but especially of those who leave and 'come back' or those who enter for the first time...).
Now that is all very edifying and so forth, but it becomes hugely problematic when you start to think about what this means. What it means, as I see it, is a declaration by the individual of surrender to a collective, over certain things and at certain times. In short, it's like hazing or any sort of unpleasant club membership, and even if you were BORN with those privileges, you never know when the tide of mass opinion might turn against you. Hence, though more shored-up than the new convert, you're still forever at risk of being undermined by the very fact of your 'membership', paradoxical as it sounds.
(Might I just say how painfully paradoxical this strikes me as? A significant part of the promise of religion to many is as an access of ready-made identity, culture, history, yadda yadda yadda... and instead it gets to the stage where you're always having to prove yourself. Well, I guess as the popular maxim goes, in life, nothing (but nothing) is free!).
Now, it must be averred that this risk of being undermined is not always greatly present. It tends to emerge handily with the arrival of an Other. I suppose the process works something like this: your 'identity' and 'culture' are threatened, hence you are threatened; by aggressively reasserting these, you refuse the attempt of the Other to undermine you completely. However, as we have already established, this shadowy Other (which may not be as much of a threat as imagined to be, who knows?) will then become projected unconsciously upon your fellow-believers for whom you must perform the rituals of belief. Isn't it ungracious? Isn't it undignified, how the best and brightest of us find ourselves bending the knee before those we know, know, in our hearts and minds to be stupid, ugly, and generally inferior... and yet whom the deranged reach of (oft-bigoted) zeal places on the podium, above us?
I commented disparagingly on a thread about a Sikh 'holocaust' museum, saying that I don't think the word should be bandied about quite so readily. Aye right, I fuckin' don't - the word means 'burnt sacrifice' and was applied to the full horror of the Nazi plan (need I really mention the gas chambers here...?) in light of the specificity of how this plan was implemented. I am a writer; I have the most enormous respect for words and it really annoys me when people don't use them properly, or use them out of context. Fuck you if you think that's precious - you wouldn't say the same of someone like Ben Goldacre seeking to debunk bad science now, would you? Miscommunication, apart from when it's deliberate, has a lot to do with making our lives harder than they ought to be, and the misuse of language is one of those things. Call the suffering of other minority communities 'genocide', call it 'mass murder' - but given how saturated this word has become with meaning - and that too after a prolonged effort by History not to let us forget such an awful happening - don't go bandying it about. Especially when the events in question are lacking in the same scale, type of mass-murder and specificity of evil intent.
(Rumbold helpfully intervened to explain what I was saying before I even could myself, so I have left no further comment 'pon that thread. Please head over to Charlie Brooker to see, fully and perfectly expressed, how I ultimately feel about Internet 'debates'. Ta for that Rumbold, true to form you put it rather clearer and more polite than I probably would've managed... comment threads often fill me with impotent rage, and then I feel dirty, as if I've just rubbed myself all over with The Daily Mail, and vow to do something REAL when my degree is over).
To return to the point - I can't help thinking that such things happening - such ridiculous abuses of language and over-aggressiveness - come, because with things like I/P, people's 'imagined' ancestry begins to come to the fore. Hello, trouble. The collective, baying for blood, seeks its recompense of the individual - now is the time to prove yourself, Sonny Jim! Now show your ideological colours! Lo, and so it comes to pass that people in Great Britain set about each other from the screens of their computers over something which is happening far, far away and to which they are not (short of having relatives in Gaza or Israel) directly connected. I mean, ffs, the link between Jews and Israel is imagined and symbolic, just as the link between Muslims and Muslims in Gaza is imagined and symbolic. Why do you suddenly feel the need to multiply yourself into a fucking representative of your whole religion? Because your people are being attacked here - your people, that's who! Jayzus.
I think here of all the times in the past that I have been forced to say things that I don't believe and agree with statements I find abominable in order to avoid attracting my family's negative attentions. I did it up to a certain age, and then I realised that I didn't have to any more. I could use the power of silence against them. They could infer what they wanted from it; I would not agree, and having got in serious grief on past occasions, I would not condemn either. If this was a coward's way out, I didn't care. My objective was to protect myself and to emerge intact.
My mother has made the observation in the past - very accurate, I feel - that it is only wealthy, middle-class people who have the time to dwell on these things. While this is not entirely true (I'm sure there have been some suicide bombers who weren't fairly financially stable too - or does that only fuel my mum's theory, in implying that poverty only added to ideological frenzy?), there is a LOT of truth to it. While discussing things is all very well and good, I often feel that if you are going to spit blood so, then why the heck don't you get off your arse and do something to help directly? Complain to the BBC, give money to the DEC, hell, fly out there and do something. Just spare me the bitching, and the soapbox-ing, which begin frankly to dive towards unsettling levels of moralisation and dogma, for me. A minority of disenfranchised people will, inevitably, react badly to the injustices that have befallen them - but since when was stooping to that level acceptable? What of all the other people who just want to fucking get by? Like me, they're more concerned with survival rather than ideology. Life is hard enough 'secular' as it is.
Religious fraternity and perspective is not enough when terrible things like this happen. People must remember that we are all ultimately human and that ultimately all the vitriol begets no solutions and no progress. Of course, there are always those who profit from such quarrels, but if people learn to practise a bit more forgiveness and a bit more forgetting, hopefully the planet can proceed on to the future.
Just to bore you senseless a little further, all this really churned about in my brain like clothes in the washing machine when my mum read to me a hilarious, and I fully believe, fictional account of a Sikh wedding (in two parts) from a Punjabi newspaper. Apparently in the duration of this story, some 'sensible observer' remarked how there were far too many women at weddings these days; if you went to the marriage palaces, all you would see was women, and that in the old days, women weren't even meant to be part of the baraat (the wedding procession, otherwise understood as the arrival of the groom and his party at the marriage venue). I immediately stiffened, my brain standing to attention like a guitar-string being pulled taut. My mater had not noticed this; nor did she notice the sudden, emergent incongruity of this remark peeking its ugly, goblin little head from the narrative.
As I glanced idly at the sheet she was holding out before her, a dim sort of epiphany set in. I tilted my head, casually covering the sheet with my gaze - yup. I rolled back my memory to previous glimpses of this paper (I think it must have been the Punjabi section of The Sikh times) - yup. The overwhelming majority of the participants in this production were male, bearded, turbanned and for the most part, pretty old (late 30s onwards). There were women (or there was one I knew of definitely, anyway) in the English part of the paper, but the only columnist I could think of, Rupi Gohlar, was consigned unfussily to a slim, 6cm-wide column somewhere near the entertainment section, which, if I was not looking for it, I would have likely failed to notice (first couple of times, I did miss it).
(To any Private Eye Readers, I appeal to you to recall the E.J. Thribb column. Do you see it now, in your mind? Yes, that's very much what her column resembles, in its slender insignificance. I am struggling now to recall if there are actually any female stalwarts besides Rupi).
I continued to take in what was being read to me, almost laughing at the right moments, but inside I vibrated with epiphany spreading, like the opening of a curtain admits more sunshine. Had I not, upon viewing Channel Punjab, only ever viewed the blurry outlines of women stereotypically 'dancing in the fields' (or had I imagined that too?) and consigned to women-only programmes such as Trinjhan (as far as I know it, a women's talkshow where they had writers and so forth on)? Other than that, women abounded only in the horribly cheap Star-Plus knock-off soaps, where a stereotypical mother-in-law bitch-from-hell would try to undo her stereotypically butter-wouldn't-melt daughter-in-law. Things might be complicated by the arrival of, or transformation of the latter into, a stereotypically gold-digging Westernised 'un-woman'.
I cast about in desperation, but the awareness was glaring me in the face. This was simply not me! None of these were me, and a slow, snakelike rage bubbled luxuriously in my veins. To think that all my life I had been told - had it insisted upon to me - that this was the right and the true, the tradition in which I belonged! I had grown up thinking that Punjabi culture and Sikh culture were one and the same. As I delved into Sikh history, I became much more conscious of the guiding principles of that religion, and as I began to find out more about Punjabi culture - through talking to people other than my parents - cracks began to appear. I discovered that Punjabis had a reputation for being big drinkers and loving fried chicken (that'd explain our local high street then, I tell you...) and, above all else, I began to notice the almost obsessive and deranged sense of male privilege that underscored Punjabi society. I suspect this went something like this: Punjabi men, being among the tallest, strongest and fairest-skinned in India (remember how colour-conscious India is!) were not only superior to women as it is taken for granted that men always are in Indian culture, but also superior to other Indian men! Hence they had extra entitlement!
The fact that the Punjab abounded with rich landowners whose sense of self-worth was only further pumped by laying claim to the glories of Sikh military history won't have helped. And so it came to pass that I watched Long Da Lishkara (a cult Punjabi film made the year before I was born) with my family, I think around the age of 11 or 12. I had not understood the obsession, in some films, with showing women jumping into wells. My young brain established that this must be for them to kill themselves - but why were they killing themselves? The screen soon brought me the answer.
A turbanned, well-dressed man - a man with a neat beard and moustache, and a fair complexion, almost like my own father - was holding a tumbler of whisky. I knew not the name of it, but by the shape and design of the glass, and by the colour of the liquid it housed, could discern what it was. I was horrified. Here was, to all intents and purposes, a Sikh man taking alcohol. Did he not realise it was forbidden? I was to be more horrified still, however, as he advanced upon the servant tidying the room. He seemed delighted by her; she was terrified. He continued to advance on her, I think breaking the glass, if I remember correctly to further frighten her, with his wrath. He managed to trap her on the bed somehow, her horrified shrieks and pleas for mercy only irritating him. Though the next part was obviously absent and left unelaborated upon, my precocious mind made sense of it. He had raped her, and she killed herself for having borne an illegitimate daughter.
My brain struggled. So the stereotypes were true, then? Punjabis were capable not only of drink, but of roundly disregarding the respect for women and acknowledgement of their equal status that lay at the heart of Sikhi? My world was painfully jolted. A man attired, as I said, not unlike my father, had committed a grievous crime against a woman who was, both socially and physically (I was sensitive to the former fact too!) as his female servant (and an Indian woman, thus hardly practised in self-defence) at his, the rich male landowner's, mercy. He had refused her his mercy. He had used her, and then left her to dispose of the evidence of his crime by disposing of herself altogether. Meanwhile, his wife, who had found out about it, did not leave, or punish him. Nor did she adopt the poor little girl. If anything, she began to get angry and worried as, now adults, her son fell in love with she who was technically his half-sister (eww!).
As I looked at my mum reading to me, all this came back to me. My mind whirred with the cascading visions of tiny, rectangular 'mugshots' of old, bearded, turbanned, male faces. I looked upon the writer of this 'humorous' article. His fat, round face was just about visible in black-and-white. I wanted to spit on it. More than anything, the urge to slap my mother fizzed dangerously in my arms. 'What the hell do you think you're doing?' I wanted to cry. 'How dare you try and sacrifice me to these people who have never had a period, never worried about leaving their family, never feared their wedding night with awful dread? OF COURSE marriages are full of women now; we all know the awful suffering that many Indian marriages entail and women turn up in sympathy and commiseration! They too remember how it felt to pin your scant hopes to this one day of grandeur, wishing for its flashy charm to rub itself off on the union forever sealed afterwards!'
However, it wasn't really that strong - gone are the days when I came anywhere near doing that. This was the merest flicker, and it gave way, as always to sadness. My mother is a compromised woman, lost in the values of the time she grew up in. She still moves within the fug of '50s India, and all I can do is cast it off. It is not me, it is not my culture, and I feel elated that at last I can express myself with a concrete example. So you say that these white club-going 'goris' aren't me? Well, those old, sanctimonious bearded twats aren't either! Nor is that overweight, high-blood-pressure-suffering housewife, who dares not even suggest things to her husband any longer for fear of provoking dispute! I'm not the virtuous bahu! I'm not a gold-digger! I don't want my children, my sisters or any of my immediate female relatives to suffer, and that is why I keep trying to take them all under my wing! I may not know my American cousin too well yet, or the daughter of my mum's 'brother' (I think he's actually her cousin?!) whom everyone discusses in low, disapproving tones for having married an older, white man. I may be estranged from my eldest female cousin, Rani - but I'll fight for them, I'll fight for them all in any way I can, just like I did for my eldest sister pre-wedding, when her husband started shouting at her over her wanting speeches. I got in trouble, but I was proud - because that, that is who I am, and for a brief, shining minute, I was no longer leading a double life. That is who I am, my 'identity', my 'culture'; that is me.
10 comments:
"Things might be complicated by the arrival of, or transformation of the latter into, a stereotypically gold-digging Westernised 'un-woman'."
Heralded by jarring camera angles and shocking music.
Yup! See, we need to have these things POINTED OUT TO US with all the subtlety of an elbow to the face, because we, the viewers, are idiots.
(Although if you're choosing to consume Indian soaps and not a 1st-gen immigrant, you really are of questionable intelligence).
I love the way the sudden contortions of face and deranged 'trademark' gestures (some female baddies toss their heads... some twist the edge of their veils menacingly... either way, it's all hilarious) are not enough to make it apparent to us that a change has taken place.
I salute you. I'm glad I read this.
"Lo, and so it comes to pass that people in Great Britain set about each other from the screens of their computers over something which is happening far, far away and to which they are not (short of having relatives in Gaza or Israel) directly connected. I mean, ffs, the link between Jews and Israel is imagined and symbolic, just as the link between Muslims and Muslims in Gaza is imagined and symbolic."
I am not sure who you are referring to here, but I feel like you are supposing an awful lot about commentators (who selectively put out facts about themselves on the Internet). I for one know people who live both in the West Bank and Israel. Furthermore, for me, as an American citizen, it is not something that isn't "directly" related to me. And even if it weren't directly related to me, so what? I get bothered by the civil wars in Sierra Leone. Should I not write about it? On the one hand I understand your frustration about writing heated comments on situations that are far away and which people may not have personal experience with. On the other hand, I feel like your argument does not stand on two legs.
Secondly, the ties with Gaza are not "imagined and symbolic ties" between "Muslims" and Gaza. There are, FYI, Palestinians who are Christian as well as Jewish. And "imagined" is a bit of a misnomer: they actually live there (or used to, but are now languishing in refugee camps) and that is a concrete reality. I feel like you are doing a gross injustice by saying it's imagined and symbolic ties, where people are squeezed into a tiny strip of land and have been starved of food, medicine, etc. If that's your definition of why people get pissed off due to colonialism and etc, you could basically argue that for any case where the indigenous population has been decimated either through "mass killings" (words which you prefer), transferal, or what have you. Native Americans and "imagined and symbolic" links to the New World doesn't square with the facts, both conceptually, theoretically, and realistically.
"My mother has made the observation in the past - very accurate, I feel - that it is only wealthy, middle-class people who have the time to dwell on these things. While this is not entirely true....While discussing things is all very well and good, I often feel that if you are going to spit blood so, then why the heck don't you get off your arse and do something to help directly?"
I'm glad you said that "this is not entirely true" because again, I bring myself as an example. I'm far, far from being middle class. And moreover, I don't think ruminating about issues, theories, whatever is monopolized by middle class, over-educated, fluffy armchair strategists or anything. I can name the number of people who I see as the most intelligent about politics, the economy, etc in my personal life, and most of them do not have college degrees and are blue collar.
And again, you are very much assuming A LOT about commentators who use a handle for identification. How do you know that they are not doing anything that involves getting off their "arses"? They might be posting comments in their off time, who knows?
And finally, I can't resist but comment on this part:
"Complain to the BBC, give money to the DEC, hell, fly out there and do something."
Two of those suggestions require denaro, which many middle class people do not have at the moment.
Well Desi, when I said 'relatives', I meant it in the loosest sense of 'people you are connected to directly', so fair enough.
I can't help thinking you're deliberately missing the point here. I'm not saying people shouldn't care, I'm simply saying people ought to do something constructive. If they are, then great. I'm not claiming to know everything about everyone who posts on PP.
I am talking about what happens when petty rivalry incites people to try to make ALL Jews responsible for Israel's actions, or ALL Muslims responsible for any terrorist atrocity ever. Why should people denounce chairwoman, bananabrain and Katy, for example? What does that achieve? They haven't condoned Israel's actions.
To your second point: I'm not talking about social class, I'm talking about wealth when I say 'middle class'. In short, people who aren't exactly struggling to survive. You conveniently ignored the part where I said: 'if you are going to spit blood so'. I'm referring - as I was all the way through this post - to those people who do hypocritically try to hold one person accountable for something due to religion and inflame tensions without actually saying anything productive. Many people just want to use I/P as an excuse to air irrational prejudices, which doesn't help anyone.
'Two of those suggestions require denaro, which many middle class people do not have at the moment.'
Yeah... fair enough... but if some people are bothered enough to cause trouble, then surely they can spare some cash? Or, like those on the forum Ummah, come up with a different idea that might be productive?
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/glen-jenvey-richard-tims-and-abuislam/
No-one's saying getting angry is not permissible, but the level of debate over this issue gets personal fast, and thus continually sabotages any hope of going further.
Sorry if I missed your point, I just responded to the bits that jumped out at me and my reactions.
"I am talking about what happens when petty rivalry incites people to try to make ALL Jews responsible for Israel's actions, or ALL Muslims responsible for any terrorist atrocity ever. Why should people denounce chairwoman, bananabrain and Katy, for example?"
Yes, and as I pointed out on that thread, I would like to know who, besides trolls, actually held the aforementioned commentators responsible based on their religion (Judaism). No one, IMO. In fact, that was Douglas writing about crap that wasn't even there, and going as far as calling Chairwoman or whoever as bringing the "Jewish perspective" to PP and why are we haranguing people for being Jewish? No sane commentator (apart from trolls, again) did that, so I do not know wtf Douglas was talking about, and honestly speaking,where your comment comes from.
And further, there has been a history on PP whereby anyone who challenges Israeli state actions have been likened to being anti-Semites, and that accusation has been hurled by the very people who say that their religion is being used against them, while in fact no one said anything of the kind.
So my point is (in a long-winded way) that you are taking the bait when commentators conflate anti-semiticsm with criticism of Israeli state policies and then use that as a rebuttal to comments which are actually criticizing the state of Israel, not Judaism or Jews. I am free to tell Katy, Chairwoman, Bananabrain, and other like-minded commentators (whether Jewish or not) off IF I find their justifications for Israeli state actions to be apologist. Not because they are Jewish, but because I disagree with them--no matter their religious background.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that cases of anti-semitism, and holding entire groups collectively based on shared ethnicity/religion responsible for actions committed by individuals should not be dealt with in comments sections, if written by people with serious intent.
But I do not think that trolls are to be seriously engaged with; there are similar jackasses who write crap about Muslims, etc, and for all I know, they could be posting these comments just to flamebait, not to seriously add to the discussion. But here I too am assuming, and that is why I don't engage with them on PP.
Anyway, sorry if I made my previous mistake in making you think that I'm missing your point, but these are my thoughts.
"Yeah... fair enough... but if some people are bothered enough to cause trouble, then surely they can spare some cash? Or, like those on the forum Ummah, come up with a different idea that might be productive?"
I think we're misunderstanding each other--I was referring to PP commentators.
"They haven't condoned Israel's actions."
Um, yes they did? Many of their comments did, and that is why some commentators got upset.
Anyway, happy blogging.
Desi:
I think that you have misunderstood the fundamental thrust of Amrit's argument. Katy, Chairwoman and Bananabrain did have their Jewishness frequently brought up, and not just by trolls. Moreover, if someone criticises Israel on Pickled Politics, they hardly get accused of anti-Semitism, apart from by trolls. After all, Sunny has criticised Israel frequently, so it is hardly a valid assertion.
Rumbold:
"Moreover, if someone criticises Israel on Pickled Politics, they hardly get accused of anti-Semitism. After all, Sunny has criticised Israel frequently, so it is hardly a valid assertion."
I vehemently disagree with that. I had been accused of anti semitism on more than one occasion a few years ago on PP, and frankly, I think that was done intentionally, since I was speaking only about Israeli state policies, as well as talking about nationalism in the Israeli context. After that, I stopped participating as often as I used to in I/P discussions. So while it may not be a valid assertion for you, nor valid at the present moment, it was a while back.
"Katy, Chairwoman and Bananabrain did have their Jewishness frequently brought up, and not just by trolls."
I must have missed these threads (entirely possible). Apart from the aforementioned commentators bringing up their religious affiliation, I haven't seen any, say, longtime PP commentators and nontrolls do this.
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